Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Gun-toting Soccer Mom is wrong.

I've linked to a story on msnbc.com today. I'm pissed off. While I may be far more liberal than most of the LEO spouses I know, I am very pro-2nd amendment.

But I've got to side with the sheriff in this instance. Basically, if you don't feel like following the link, this woman got her license to carry, then wore the gun to a soccer match. For five year olds.

Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing her right to wear it, but I am arguing her right to a brain. What moron wears a weapon in plain view at a soccer match? I'll take a moment here to mention that I am assuming the article correctly reports that she wore it openly at the match.

Perhaps the sheriff shouldn't have completely revoked her license, but perhaps the details of the license requires you carry using COMMON SENSE? The Sheriff does mention the state law prohibiting licensure of "questionable characters." (My own wording)

Furthermore, the details of the litigation are just preposterous. She's suing the sheriff for revoking her license on the grounds that her babysitting service has suffered, and her husband joins the suit because he has lost his wife's "companionship, consortium, society and services."

You're fucking kidding me, right? If the parents she babysat for didn't know she was a gun advocate, perhaps she wasn't being honest with them. Not the sheriff's fault. If she has become uncompanionable and antisocial because she temporarily lost her license to carry a gun, again, not the sheriff's fault.

Feel free to let the debating begin. Being licensed to carry a gun and being wise enough to know when to advertise it are not mutual. Perhaps they should be.


Anonymous said...

Wow, some of the gun laws down there just blow me away. Not because I think they are right or wrong, but because they are SO different.

Up here, hubby's police service's official policy is that the DON'T carry off-duty. Under the police act though, he is allowed to (or that is how he interprets it) so he sometimes does. Especially given his unit.

I have my licence, and I am not allowed to carry in anything other that a lock box, in the trunk. Probably a good thing given my driving issues.

Unless this woman had a good reason to carry it on herself to a match (as in she had a threat to her family, stalker, whatever) then she needs a good slap upside the head. Regardless, it should not have been in plain view.

I think maybe she just caught a nasty case of the "Oooo, look at me! I have a gun!"'s.

5150Wife said...

I don't begrudge her wearing it to the soccer match one iota. But if the article is correct and the State is a CONCEALED weapon State, then she was certainly in the wrong. And, around here at least, that IS grounds for having the permit revoked.

The part that cracked me up? The husband has lost "consortium" with her over this? Good golly. Sounds like that couple needs to win a free round of marriage counseling, not a lawsuit.

Mrs. "Smith" said...

I think the majority of the complaints are laughable, but she carried in the open at the games and no-one complained when they could see her gun. The complaints started after she carried concealed. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm..looks like a combination of factors are probably in play here. If you can carry then carry, 5yo soccer match not withstanding. Look at the people being shot in churches lately...bad things happen everywhere. The open carry in violation of the law is a problem though. But the lawsuits look like an outright money grab.

Anonymous said...

Arguably, she made a big mistake in carrying at the soccer game. Built into most states concealed carry laws are codicils which usually prohibit carrying in places like schools and events related to children. Moreover if she were carrying CONCEALED, then the other parents shouldn't have known in the first place. As for her husband losing consortium? Maybe her gun is bigger than his?
Just sayin'

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Anonymous said...

Hmm. I don't see the link. Am I cornfused?

I have mixed feelings on this. I somewhat agree with whymomdrinksrum in saying, "Oooo, look at me! I have a gun!"'s. Conceal the thing, it's not necessary to flaunt it. I also agree with tgace in that bad things happen everywhere, even churches.

My husband and I wrestled with this issue, whether he should carry or not when off duty. On the other hand, I want him to be OFF frickin duty sometimes, but as he points out, if something bad happens and he doesn't have it ... that would be horrible.

MeadowLark said...

Husband carries everywhere. Even in church. Like copswife's husband says ... if he doesn't have it, that would be horrible.

We'd rather not take our chances.

FroneAmy said...

MeadowLark - I think you misunderstand my post...I'm not arguing that certain people, such as our husbands, shouldn't carry some places. In fact I'd much rather prefer that they do. I like to assume they are. I don't know how similar other departments have rules about this, but my husband is required to intervene if he witnesses a felony.

Frankly I like to keep the thought that he's carrying the bigger stick.

I was upset that this woman just decided she needed a concealed carry license, then felt it necessary to carry OPENLY at a children's soccer game. And is suing because the S.O. revoked her license to carry.

J said...

I require my wife to carry a gun in her purse at all times. I too carry 24/7. If we're out on the town, and the stuff hits the fan, my wife is my back-up, until other cops can arrive. I say whoever wants to carry should anywhere/anytime.

FroneAmy said...

Obviously you cna't please everybody all the time, but I believe I was pretty damn clear that it was the fact that this woman was carrying OPENLY around children and parents that I object to.

Not once have I said anything about people not carrying anywhere. My contention is that she did so STUPIDLY. Not that she carried at a soccer match.

Kelsey said...

Like you, I'm a liberal who is pretty pro 2nd amendment. And like you, I disagree with this woman. It's one thing to wear the gun to a soccer match. It's another thing to wear it openly. Hell, my guy wore his to go to the video store a few blocks away, back when he worked for the PD, but he always kept it covered with a bulky sweater or concealed in other ways. It's my understanding that that's part of the rules regarding a CCW permit - that the firearm should stay concealed.